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		<title>By: Mark Obenauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Obenauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, sb, and everyone on this blog.  God bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, sb, and everyone on this blog.  God bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: sb</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2114/comment-page-1#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>sb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read all three parts of this essay and this entire comment thread, I think that we are reaching a historical threshold to a better age in which everyone is willing to understand someone he/she used to abhor.

There are many, many Iranians in my business and many more 
living in this part of the country. It used to be I risked a certain faint condescension or at times, real disgust by mentioning my Baha&#039;i identity. Sometimes I mentioned it because it explained who I am. Other times I mentioned it to create awareness. Thank God it appears that I no longer have to do the latter.

Everybody had be something else to become something better, something more tolerant. 

To achieve unity, we have to listen to each other, we have to suspend judgment, realizing that no one group has a special purchase on suffering in Iran. Every viewpoint is valid and meaningful.

As mature people one of the most important things we can do is to overlook the faults of one another. The rarest phrase in any language is: &quot;I am sorry.&quot;
Second rarest is &quot;I was wrong.&quot; I submit that we have to be able to say these things in order to save the world for our children.

The endless recitation of blame and shame is not what will ultimately bring us together. The desire to know and understand each other will bring us to together for the sake of our children. Baha&#039;is need justice because the world needs justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read all three parts of this essay and this entire comment thread, I think that we are reaching a historical threshold to a better age in which everyone is willing to understand someone he/she used to abhor.</p>
<p>There are many, many Iranians in my business and many more<br />
living in this part of the country. It used to be I risked a certain faint condescension or at times, real disgust by mentioning my Baha&#8217;i identity. Sometimes I mentioned it because it explained who I am. Other times I mentioned it to create awareness. Thank God it appears that I no longer have to do the latter.</p>
<p>Everybody had be something else to become something better, something more tolerant. </p>
<p>To achieve unity, we have to listen to each other, we have to suspend judgment, realizing that no one group has a special purchase on suffering in Iran. Every viewpoint is valid and meaningful.</p>
<p>As mature people one of the most important things we can do is to overlook the faults of one another. The rarest phrase in any language is: &#8220;I am sorry.&#8221;<br />
Second rarest is &#8220;I was wrong.&#8221; I submit that we have to be able to say these things in order to save the world for our children.</p>
<p>The endless recitation of blame and shame is not what will ultimately bring us together. The desire to know and understand each other will bring us to together for the sake of our children. Baha&#8217;is need justice because the world needs justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Obenauer</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2114/comment-page-1#comment-1585</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Obenauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mohammad:

There is so much confusion whenever a new religion is Revealed.  The Prophet Muhammad went through so much antagonism and persecution from followers of Moses and Jesus and idolaters.  I have read an English rendition of the Holy Quran and there is an entire description of how Prophets were persecuted when they Revealed a religion.  There are Prophets that are non-existent in the Judeo-Christian tradition such as Hud.  In the Western countries, some more conservative Christian elements consider formerly Christian individuals who convert to religions that were birthed after or before Christianity as apostates.  So a person converting to Islam or the Baha’i’ Faith is viewed as an apostate.  There was a time in Western history when people who were from a Protestant Christian sect or weren’t Christian or  were persecuted (ie the Inquisition).  Western civilization has been through the throws of a Protestant Reformation and the Enlightenment since that time, so individuals who are perceived as apostates are no longer persecuted though the prejudice is still evident.   People have been killed because of their religion in our societies, but this is rare because of secular civil laws protecting minorities, and the worst that can happen is a person losing employment.  But then there are appeals under civil rights laws.  I can’t tell you how many times I have heard that I am going to hell, and in slight sarcasm each time I tell the person saying this that I will be in good company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohammad:</p>
<p>There is so much confusion whenever a new religion is Revealed.  The Prophet Muhammad went through so much antagonism and persecution from followers of Moses and Jesus and idolaters.  I have read an English rendition of the Holy Quran and there is an entire description of how Prophets were persecuted when they Revealed a religion.  There are Prophets that are non-existent in the Judeo-Christian tradition such as Hud.  In the Western countries, some more conservative Christian elements consider formerly Christian individuals who convert to religions that were birthed after or before Christianity as apostates.  So a person converting to Islam or the Baha’i’ Faith is viewed as an apostate.  There was a time in Western history when people who were from a Protestant Christian sect or weren’t Christian or  were persecuted (ie the Inquisition).  Western civilization has been through the throws of a Protestant Reformation and the Enlightenment since that time, so individuals who are perceived as apostates are no longer persecuted though the prejudice is still evident.   People have been killed because of their religion in our societies, but this is rare because of secular civil laws protecting minorities, and the worst that can happen is a person losing employment.  But then there are appeals under civil rights laws.  I can’t tell you how many times I have heard that I am going to hell, and in slight sarcasm each time I tell the person saying this that I will be in good company.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Obenauer</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2114/comment-page-1#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Obenauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that true shame also translates into actions to rectify a problem.  From my experience, I have felt some sort of closure when I have apologized to someone and the apology was accepted.   I feel the letter written by Iranian intellectuals was an act of human kindness.   I believe in God, and in my World-view, I can’t help but suspect or believe that there is smiling and hosannas both in Heaven and in this earthly plane.  If I were ever to meet one of the signatories of the We are Ashamed letter,  I would warmly shake this person’s hand and say that “all is forgiven” both as a prayer and an affirmation to that person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that true shame also translates into actions to rectify a problem.  From my experience, I have felt some sort of closure when I have apologized to someone and the apology was accepted.   I feel the letter written by Iranian intellectuals was an act of human kindness.   I believe in God, and in my World-view, I can’t help but suspect or believe that there is smiling and hosannas both in Heaven and in this earthly plane.  If I were ever to meet one of the signatories of the We are Ashamed letter,  I would warmly shake this person’s hand and say that “all is forgiven” both as a prayer and an affirmation to that person.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HELLO  TO  ALL:
AS AN ELDERLY MOSLEM WHO ONCE UPON A TIME, LIKE MANY OTHERS, HAS BEEN ALLURED BY THE TUDEH PARTY, AND BECAME ITS MEMBER, I WOULD LIKE TO DESIGN MY OWN &quot;INDIVIDUAL&quot; LETTER AND TITLE IT: &quot;I AM ASHAMED TO HAVE BEEN A TUDEIEE&quot;.  TUDEIEES AND OTHER BRANCHES OF IRANIAN LEFTISM WERE THE ONES WHO GAVE  KHOMEINI HIS POWER AND TURNED IRAN INTO WHAT IT IS TODAY.  WHAT WERE WE THINKING: THAT KHOMEINI WILL GIVE US GOLD MEDALS?  &quot;KOOR KHOONDEH BOODEEM&quot;.  
EVEN THOUGH I APPRECIATE MR. NAFICI&#039;S GOOD INTENTIONS FOR PROMOTING HUMAN RIGHTS BY SUGGESTING INSTITUTIONALIZATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR THE BAHA&#039;I RELIGION AND OTHER MINORITIES, I THINK THAT HE IS GOING A LITTLE AHEAD OF HIMSELF.  I MANAGED TO READ THE WE-ARE-ASHAMED LETTER.  I DO NOT AGREE WITH MR. NAFICI&#039;S ANALYSIS THAT IT IS LILKE A KHOMEINI GROUP CONFESSION/REPENTANCE OR BRAINWASHING BY COMMUNIST GUIRELLAS THRU CREATING GUILT FEELINGS.  I THINK THE REAL POINT IS MISSED BY MR. NAFICI: THAT WE, THE MAJORITY MOSLEM POPULATION IN IRAN, FOR THE PAST 100 AND SO YEARS HAVE KEPT BLIND EYES TO THE PLIGHT OF THE OPPRESSED.  MR. NAFICI, I THINK SHAME , IN THIS CONTEXT, IS AN APPROPRIATE EMOTION.   I BELIEVE SHAMELESSNESS IS ONE OF THE MALADIES OF TODAY&#039;S WORLD, A SOCIAL DISEASE.
NONETHELESS, I RESPECT MR. NAFICI&#039;S VIEW, THOUGH I DISAGREE WITH IT.  I THINK THE WE-ARE-ASHAMED LETTER CAN LEAD TO FURTHER STEPS IN LINE WITH WHAT MR. NAFICI HAS IN MIND.  YOUR SUGGESTIONS, SIR, SHOULD BE THE FUTURE STEPS.  WE, THE NON-BAHA&#039;I IRANIANS ARE STILL TOO CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THIS MOVEMENT IS.  WE HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY MOLLAHS FOR TOO LONG.  IT TAKES SOME TIME BEFORE WE CAN GET TO WHERE YOU ARE SUGGESTING.
RESPECTFULLY,
M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELLO  TO  ALL:<br />
AS AN ELDERLY MOSLEM WHO ONCE UPON A TIME, LIKE MANY OTHERS, HAS BEEN ALLURED BY THE TUDEH PARTY, AND BECAME ITS MEMBER, I WOULD LIKE TO DESIGN MY OWN &#8220;INDIVIDUAL&#8221; LETTER AND TITLE IT: &#8220;I AM ASHAMED TO HAVE BEEN A TUDEIEE&#8221;.  TUDEIEES AND OTHER BRANCHES OF IRANIAN LEFTISM WERE THE ONES WHO GAVE  KHOMEINI HIS POWER AND TURNED IRAN INTO WHAT IT IS TODAY.  WHAT WERE WE THINKING: THAT KHOMEINI WILL GIVE US GOLD MEDALS?  &#8220;KOOR KHOONDEH BOODEEM&#8221;.<br />
EVEN THOUGH I APPRECIATE MR. NAFICI&#8217;S GOOD INTENTIONS FOR PROMOTING HUMAN RIGHTS BY SUGGESTING INSTITUTIONALIZATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR THE BAHA&#8217;I RELIGION AND OTHER MINORITIES, I THINK THAT HE IS GOING A LITTLE AHEAD OF HIMSELF.  I MANAGED TO READ THE WE-ARE-ASHAMED LETTER.  I DO NOT AGREE WITH MR. NAFICI&#8217;S ANALYSIS THAT IT IS LILKE A KHOMEINI GROUP CONFESSION/REPENTANCE OR BRAINWASHING BY COMMUNIST GUIRELLAS THRU CREATING GUILT FEELINGS.  I THINK THE REAL POINT IS MISSED BY MR. NAFICI: THAT WE, THE MAJORITY MOSLEM POPULATION IN IRAN, FOR THE PAST 100 AND SO YEARS HAVE KEPT BLIND EYES TO THE PLIGHT OF THE OPPRESSED.  MR. NAFICI, I THINK SHAME , IN THIS CONTEXT, IS AN APPROPRIATE EMOTION.   I BELIEVE SHAMELESSNESS IS ONE OF THE MALADIES OF TODAY&#8217;S WORLD, A SOCIAL DISEASE.<br />
NONETHELESS, I RESPECT MR. NAFICI&#8217;S VIEW, THOUGH I DISAGREE WITH IT.  I THINK THE WE-ARE-ASHAMED LETTER CAN LEAD TO FURTHER STEPS IN LINE WITH WHAT MR. NAFICI HAS IN MIND.  YOUR SUGGESTIONS, SIR, SHOULD BE THE FUTURE STEPS.  WE, THE NON-BAHA&#8217;I IRANIANS ARE STILL TOO CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THIS MOVEMENT IS.  WE HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY MOLLAHS FOR TOO LONG.  IT TAKES SOME TIME BEFORE WE CAN GET TO WHERE YOU ARE SUGGESTING.<br />
RESPECTFULLY,<br />
M.</p>
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		<title>By: Roya</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2114/comment-page-1#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Roya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This must be an Iranian &quot;thing&quot;. If a member of a family makes something of himself or herself, the other member(s) who chose to do nothing with their lives somehow feel they are entitled to the success of the party that made something of themselves. And when they don&#039;t get what they expect, they back bite and bad mouth the family member that has achieved success. Sort of black mailing. 

My father&#039;s brother is the same way. He chose to spend his life chanting slogans in the streets and following Mollah directives instead of educating himself or his family. He turned against my father multiple times and even tried to have him arrested and put in jail so he could show his power. Now that the bankruptcy of the Mollah ideology has sunk into his thick head and he has found that he had wasted his life, he is back again using my father&#039;s good name to trick people into trusting him and wants to be on good terms with us.  I&#039;m not Baha&#039;i but my father who is not Baha&#039;i either always calls his brother &quot;Azal.&quot;  Now that I read this article I understand why every time my uncle came to visit us, my father would tell us &quot;aamadeh beshin keh Azal dareh miyad inja&quot;  (get ready that Azal is coming here). Then as now my father always helps him out but &quot;uncle Azal&quot; is never happy. He even calls himself the elder of our family and he tells us that my father has told him that when he dies, we should turn to my uncle for guidance and moral values:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This must be an Iranian &#8220;thing&#8221;. If a member of a family makes something of himself or herself, the other member(s) who chose to do nothing with their lives somehow feel they are entitled to the success of the party that made something of themselves. And when they don&#8217;t get what they expect, they back bite and bad mouth the family member that has achieved success. Sort of black mailing. </p>
<p>My father&#8217;s brother is the same way. He chose to spend his life chanting slogans in the streets and following Mollah directives instead of educating himself or his family. He turned against my father multiple times and even tried to have him arrested and put in jail so he could show his power. Now that the bankruptcy of the Mollah ideology has sunk into his thick head and he has found that he had wasted his life, he is back again using my father&#8217;s good name to trick people into trusting him and wants to be on good terms with us.  I&#8217;m not Baha&#8217;i but my father who is not Baha&#8217;i either always calls his brother &#8220;Azal.&#8221;  Now that I read this article I understand why every time my uncle came to visit us, my father would tell us &#8220;aamadeh beshin keh Azal dareh miyad inja&#8221;  (get ready that Azal is coming here). Then as now my father always helps him out but &#8220;uncle Azal&#8221; is never happy. He even calls himself the elder of our family and he tells us that my father has told him that when he dies, we should turn to my uncle for guidance and moral values:-)</p>
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		<title>By: LizKauai</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2114/comment-page-1#comment-1531</link>
		<dc:creator>LizKauai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, many thanks, Dr. Naficy, for sharing your personal history and observations. This is truly the age of Light and how wonderfully does information travel on it from place to place, from heart to heart.
Aloha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, many thanks, Dr. Naficy, for sharing your personal history and observations. This is truly the age of Light and how wonderfully does information travel on it from place to place, from heart to heart.<br />
Aloha!</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2114/comment-page-1#comment-1518</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even I, who am relatively new to all this noticed the inaccurate information in this last part of Dr. Nafisi&#039;s letter regarding the Azal. He listed no reference to back up his assertions and repeated the &quot;Islamic clergy&quot; lines that I had even been told by the Mollahs that I know.  But I liked his article and hope that he writes more but with documented facts other than the &quot;clergy&quot; media.  I remember reading the Tudeh party statement he is referring to. It was just as absurd then as it is now. That&#039;s my opinion. Some may agree and some may not. But any Iranian who had joined the SAVAK party or Tudeh party or Leftists party by taking that step had actually withdrawn themselves from any other party or movement that they 
belonged to. Even in the United States one can&#039;t be a registered republican and a registered democrat at the same time. They need to choose one when it&#039;s time to vote. And in Iran the voting is done by walking out and leaving.  

I admired Dr Nafisi&#039;s courage to put his convictions in writing. Hopefuly hundreds of Iranian intelectuals will sign his letter too so that even more minds can be pollinated back into life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even I, who am relatively new to all this noticed the inaccurate information in this last part of Dr. Nafisi&#8217;s letter regarding the Azal. He listed no reference to back up his assertions and repeated the &#8220;Islamic clergy&#8221; lines that I had even been told by the Mollahs that I know.  But I liked his article and hope that he writes more but with documented facts other than the &#8220;clergy&#8221; media.  I remember reading the Tudeh party statement he is referring to. It was just as absurd then as it is now. That&#8217;s my opinion. Some may agree and some may not. But any Iranian who had joined the SAVAK party or Tudeh party or Leftists party by taking that step had actually withdrawn themselves from any other party or movement that they<br />
belonged to. Even in the United States one can&#8217;t be a registered republican and a registered democrat at the same time. They need to choose one when it&#8217;s time to vote. And in Iran the voting is done by walking out and leaving.  </p>
<p>I admired Dr Nafisi&#8217;s courage to put his convictions in writing. Hopefuly hundreds of Iranian intelectuals will sign his letter too so that even more minds can be pollinated back into life.</p>
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