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		<title>By: Glenn Franco Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Franco Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try to stay on topic, but perhaps I was off. Oh, well. Heart is in the right place, although I don&#039;t know what I may have done that was off topic. I love this Web site. It&#039;s so useful. I just added it to my blog today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to stay on topic, but perhaps I was off. Oh, well. Heart is in the right place, although I don&#8217;t know what I may have done that was off topic. I love this Web site. It&#8217;s so useful. I just added it to my blog today.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Obenauer</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2188/comment-page-1#comment-1653</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Obenauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Glenn, it could have been a bunch of us.  Sorry administrator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Glenn, it could have been a bunch of us.  Sorry administrator.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Franco Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2188/comment-page-1#comment-1651</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Franco Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB, thank you for your kind compliment.

Admin, I apologize if I am the one who took this off topice. I thought that proselytizing was in keeping with what the Bahais were arrested for and I felt a need to clarify its meaning, per UHJ. Could you send me an e-mail to let me know where I erred? Again, I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB, thank you for your kind compliment.</p>
<p>Admin, I apologize if I am the one who took this off topice. I thought that proselytizing was in keeping with what the Bahais were arrested for and I felt a need to clarify its meaning, per UHJ. Could you send me an e-mail to let me know where I erred? Again, I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear commenters,

Please keep the discussion on-topic.

Regards, Editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear commenters,</p>
<p>Please keep the discussion on-topic.</p>
<p>Regards, Editor</p>
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		<title>By: sb</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2188/comment-page-1#comment-1648</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn - I am glad that you clarified the meaning behind &quot;proselytize.&quot; I looked at your site and found it uplifting. 

Mark - You are correct about &quot;stones&quot;  . . .nothing can restrain Divine Will. 

That was the point of my story (above) regarding the party of 40 people without matches  . . .it happened in Iran.  . . the Baha&#039;i were not actively teaching  . . .the man was not seeking . he did not believe that no one in crowd of 40 had a match . . . but it became clear to him when he learned they were mostly Baha&#039;is. It may seem innocuous but  . . .there it is, the cleanliness of these Baha&#039;is was made  . . .apparent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn &#8211; I am glad that you clarified the meaning behind &#8220;proselytize.&#8221; I looked at your site and found it uplifting. </p>
<p>Mark &#8211; You are correct about &#8220;stones&#8221;  . . .nothing can restrain Divine Will. </p>
<p>That was the point of my story (above) regarding the party of 40 people without matches  . . .it happened in Iran.  . . the Baha&#8217;i were not actively teaching  . . .the man was not seeking . he did not believe that no one in crowd of 40 had a match . . . but it became clear to him when he learned they were mostly Baha&#8217;is. It may seem innocuous but  . . .there it is, the cleanliness of these Baha&#8217;is was made  . . .apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Franco simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2188/comment-page-1#comment-1647</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Franco simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of proselytizing, I was accused of this because of my Blog site. Here is what I put on my blog and it&#039;s straight from the Universal House of Justice:

Additionally, this blog is not meant to proselytize, which the Bahá’í Faith forbids.

The Universal House of Justice said this:

&quot;Proselytizing implies bringing undue pressure to bear upon someone to change his faith.&quot;

I think that settles the questions anyone may have about proselytizing and teaching. You may find this information in Ocean, a non-official Bahai program that you can download or use online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of proselytizing, I was accused of this because of my Blog site. Here is what I put on my blog and it&#8217;s straight from the Universal House of Justice:</p>
<p>Additionally, this blog is not meant to proselytize, which the Bahá’í Faith forbids.</p>
<p>The Universal House of Justice said this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Proselytizing implies bringing undue pressure to bear upon someone to change his faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that settles the questions anyone may have about proselytizing and teaching. You may find this information in Ocean, a non-official Bahai program that you can download or use online.</p>
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		<title>By: sb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per the earlier discussion in this thread, Baha&#039;&#039;is use the term &quot;teaching&quot; when they disseminate infomation to those who are curious to learn about the Baha&#039;i Faith. Baha&#039;is are forbidden to &quot;proselytize.&quot; 

Along the lines of what Ali mentioned, discretion is always advisable because you cannot &quot;teach&quot; a person who does not want to learn. This is  different than &quot;dissimulation&quot; (a concept allowed by Shi&#039;a belief ), which is to conceal one&#039;s belief until a situation is more receptive or tolerant. Many religious minorities have practiced this in the past to survive.

Baha&#039;s cannot do this.   I would also like to add that &quot;teaching&quot; the Baha&#039;i Faith is more than &quot;talking&quot; about Baha&#039;i Teachings and belief system. 
It requires action that speak to Baha&#039;i principles. This has been stressed again and again in the Writings of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah and Abdul Baha. 

Teaching the Baha&#039;i Faith is about how one lives the Baha&#039;si Teachings. Please allow me to share the example a friend from Iran who told me. One night a strange man knocked on the door of a house where 40 people were gathered to celebate a family occasion.  The people were mostly, but not all, Baha&#039;i. Thoses who were not Baha&#039;is were relatives or in-laws. 

The man who had knocked asked for a match to light the pipe he was holding. No one among the 40 people in the house could offer him a match, because they did not smoke. The man who had knocked on the door was astounded and according to my friend, only accepted that no one had a match when it was explained that almost everyone at the party was a Baha&#039;i. 

Now that&#039;s teaching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per the earlier discussion in this thread, Baha&#8221;is use the term &#8220;teaching&#8221; when they disseminate infomation to those who are curious to learn about the Baha&#8217;i Faith. Baha&#8217;is are forbidden to &#8220;proselytize.&#8221; </p>
<p>Along the lines of what Ali mentioned, discretion is always advisable because you cannot &#8220;teach&#8221; a person who does not want to learn. This is  different than &#8220;dissimulation&#8221; (a concept allowed by Shi&#8217;a belief ), which is to conceal one&#8217;s belief until a situation is more receptive or tolerant. Many religious minorities have practiced this in the past to survive.</p>
<p>Baha&#8217;s cannot do this.   I would also like to add that &#8220;teaching&#8221; the Baha&#8217;i Faith is more than &#8220;talking&#8221; about Baha&#8217;i Teachings and belief system.<br />
It requires action that speak to Baha&#8217;i principles. This has been stressed again and again in the Writings of Baha&#8217;u'llah and Abdul Baha. </p>
<p>Teaching the Baha&#8217;i Faith is about how one lives the Baha&#8217;si Teachings. Please allow me to share the example a friend from Iran who told me. One night a strange man knocked on the door of a house where 40 people were gathered to celebate a family occasion.  The people were mostly, but not all, Baha&#8217;i. Thoses who were not Baha&#8217;is were relatives or in-laws. </p>
<p>The man who had knocked asked for a match to light the pipe he was holding. No one among the 40 people in the house could offer him a match, because they did not smoke. The man who had knocked on the door was astounded and according to my friend, only accepted that no one had a match when it was explained that almost everyone at the party was a Baha&#8217;i. </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s teaching!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Franco Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2188/comment-page-1#comment-1640</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Franco Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irani,

I&#039;ve had Bahai friends from Iran whose families &quot;disappeared&quot; and I don&#039;t know if they are on the list of the missing. I agree, they know to follow what they are directed to do, and I can&#039;t see them teaching in public. But, if you answer a question, that could be considered a violation. Similar to Nazi Germany, where children informed on parents, although I am not comparing The Holocaust to the pogrom against Bahais, as I do not want to offend my Jewish friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irani,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had Bahai friends from Iran whose families &#8220;disappeared&#8221; and I don&#8217;t know if they are on the list of the missing. I agree, they know to follow what they are directed to do, and I can&#8217;t see them teaching in public. But, if you answer a question, that could be considered a violation. Similar to Nazi Germany, where children informed on parents, although I am not comparing The Holocaust to the pogrom against Bahais, as I do not want to offend my Jewish friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Franco Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2188/comment-page-1#comment-1639</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Franco Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an interesing insight, Ali.

Do you have more specific insights on reading it to help me understand it better?

My e-mail is glennfrancosimmons@yahoo.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an interesing insight, Ali.</p>
<p>Do you have more specific insights on reading it to help me understand it better?</p>
<p>My e-mail is <a href="mailto:glennfrancosimmons@yahoo.com">glennfrancosimmons@yahoo.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Franco Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2188/comment-page-1#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Franco Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Mark, it is incredibly tough, but look at the Apostles and what they endured. It is a birth with pain, to use a metaphor. It is the dawn of a new religion that comes with sacrifice, but don&#039;t think that there is not discrimination in the United States. There is. Just check out the lies on various Web sites, where the Faith is degraded in assorted ways. I stay away from them, as they are spiritual poison, a spiritual disease, and I don&#039;t need such negativity in my life. If I were not convinced of the Faith as being from God, or if I had doubt, I suppose I would read those Web sites, but I am assured by Bahaullah Himself and Abdul Baha. Their words are authoratative and anyone reading them with an open mind will see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mark, it is incredibly tough, but look at the Apostles and what they endured. It is a birth with pain, to use a metaphor. It is the dawn of a new religion that comes with sacrifice, but don&#8217;t think that there is not discrimination in the United States. There is. Just check out the lies on various Web sites, where the Faith is degraded in assorted ways. I stay away from them, as they are spiritual poison, a spiritual disease, and I don&#8217;t need such negativity in my life. If I were not convinced of the Faith as being from God, or if I had doubt, I suppose I would read those Web sites, but I am assured by Bahaullah Himself and Abdul Baha. Their words are authoratative and anyone reading them with an open mind will see that.</p>
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