Comments on: Apostasy and Baha’is as Apostates in Islam http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773 Documenting the Persecution of the Baha'i Community in Iran Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:45:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Egyptian editor stands up for Baha’is « Owen’s Meanderings http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2203 Egyptian editor stands up for Baha’is « Owen’s Meanderings Thu, 21 May 2009 08:46:36 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2203 [...] by owen59 on May 21, 2009 Mohammad Shebl recently wrote in ‘Al Qahirah’, defending the Baha’is against the charge of apostacy. Saying that, “What I see in the Qur’an is the glorious [...] [...] by owen59 on May 21, 2009 Mohammad Shebl recently wrote in ‘Al Qahirah’, defending the Baha’is against the charge of apostacy. Saying that, “What I see in the Qur’an is the glorious [...]

]]> By: sb http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2178 sb Tue, 19 May 2009 13:37:47 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2178 I know of no other people who are so blamelessly accused and who yet strive to show such respect and meekness to their interrogators, jailers, and persecutors even while under threat. This is the real "submission," to love truly those who would do you grievous harm. This behavior is well documented and proves how "seemly" are the Baha'is. I know of no other people who are so blamelessly accused and who yet strive to show such respect and meekness to their interrogators, jailers, and persecutors even while under threat. This is the real “submission,” to love truly those who would do you grievous harm.

This behavior is well documented and proves how “seemly” are the Baha’is.

]]> By: Guy Shannon http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2175 Guy Shannon Tue, 19 May 2009 00:34:55 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2175 To comment and be among such writers is indeed humbling. All of the responses that came before mine, and the aticle itself, put forth both honorable and reasonable evidences to support the facts; facts which I ultimately believe focus upon the unity of God and His Revelations to humanity. One must admit, regardless of our personal beliefs and adherances, there remains within us a force, though hidden a times - even turned to hate and anger - a force that causes us to have the wish to be bound together as human beings in one common cause. As our current history progresses, this force grows stronger as we increasingly witness traditions gone afoul of the truth, corruption of our institutions, and harmful disunity take its toll upon the human race. We stand back and count the destruction and the dead and ask, for what reason, for what gain? And there is no reasonable answer except to say it is a futile process that leads to nothing, except a foundation of innocent bodies upon whcih to re-build our cities. Does it make sense that God would act against His own Revelations? Would He, the Unknowable Essence, the Creator of Infinite Unity, on one hand Reveal peace and teach this concept to mankind; while on the other send war upon us? Would this be the God of justice, love, and unity? Would He be the Healer of the wounds of mankind? For us to promulgate unfounded difference is not the work of God, or compliance with His teachings, that is all too obvious though one knows nothing of other relgions but his own. When the piano keys are hammered by the hand in random sounds, the sounds of this great instrument are hororible, the result is not music but awful sounds are produced. But when the keys are played in an order of harmony, then this great instrument can bring tears, raise emotions, and in every way enrapture the listener giving forth a highly spiritual experience. That is the true purpose of the piano; and harmony created in unity is the real purpose of religion. We cannot recognize the greatness of the instrumentality of religion until we recognize its necessary unity. To comment and be among such writers is indeed humbling. All of the responses that came before mine, and the aticle itself, put forth both honorable and reasonable evidences to support the facts; facts which I ultimately believe focus upon the unity of God and His Revelations to humanity. One must admit, regardless of our personal beliefs and adherances, there remains within us a force, though hidden a times – even turned to hate and anger – a force that causes us to have the wish to be bound together as human beings in one common cause. As our current history progresses, this force grows stronger as we increasingly witness traditions gone afoul of the truth, corruption of our institutions, and harmful disunity take its toll upon the human race. We stand back and count the destruction and the dead and ask, for what reason, for what gain? And there is no reasonable answer except to say it is a futile process that leads to nothing, except a foundation of innocent bodies upon whcih to re-build our cities. Does it make sense that God would act against His own Revelations? Would He, the Unknowable Essence, the Creator of Infinite Unity, on one hand Reveal peace and teach this concept to mankind; while on the other send war upon us? Would this be the God of justice, love, and unity? Would He be the Healer of the wounds of mankind? For us to promulgate unfounded difference is not the work of God, or compliance with His teachings, that is all too obvious though one knows nothing of other relgions but his own. When the piano keys are hammered by the hand in random sounds, the sounds of this great instrument are hororible, the result is not music but awful sounds are produced. But when the keys are played in an order of harmony, then this great instrument can bring tears, raise emotions, and in every way enrapture the listener giving forth a highly spiritual experience. That is the true purpose of the piano; and harmony created in unity is the real purpose of religion. We cannot recognize the greatness of the instrumentality of religion until we recognize its necessary unity.

]]> By: basma moussa http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2173 basma moussa Mon, 18 May 2009 15:07:44 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2173 Author: Majdi Khalil | Originally published in Arabic on: Friday, 15 May 2009 Struggles for freedom of faith in Egypt http://basmagm.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/basma-moussa-the-bahai%e2%80%99i-religion-is-not-shameful/ http://www.bahairights.org/2009/05/18/basma-moussa-the-bahaii-religion-is-not-shameful/ Author: Majdi Khalil | Originally published in Arabic on: Friday, 15 May 2009
Struggles for freedom of faith in Egypt

http://basmagm.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/basma-moussa-the-bahai%e2%80%99i-religion-is-not-shameful/

http://www.bahairights.org/2009/05/18/basma-moussa-the-bahaii-religion-is-not-shameful/

]]> By: Marty Flick http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2172 Marty Flick Mon, 18 May 2009 15:03:22 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2172 In a broader sense, every Messenger who appeared - especially in cases where an 'ummah' was pre-existent, was the fulcrum point for apostasy. In other words, Jews who chose to follow Issa [Jesus or, Yeshua] apostatized from their community - just as Christians who recognized Muhammad [pbuh] apostatized Christianity. Islam as a term, doesn't denote the community of Muhammad. I'm told the word means 'submission to Allah's will' - the Prophet Himself taught that the Prophets of old preached Islam. In that sense, apostasy cannot be considered a crime against the prophet or messenger, so long as the new Divine Educator can be proven to also be preaching Islam! Persecution, in this light, is itself a crime - particularly the blatant, blind sort of persecution we see now. No evidence, no justice, no chance for the prisoner to present his or her own case! This countermands the very first verse Mr. Shebl quotes - it is time to present the true evidence; to prove to the world that Baha'u'llah certainly conformed to the three principles cited in the footnotes! "[1] The three principals are: a: the world is created by a mighty and powerful Creator, and He is the only One Who should be worshiped, b: belief in the next world and life after death, c: practicing goodly deeds and seemly conduct that will benefit the individual himself and all the creation of God." My thanks to M. Shebl for pointing that out! In a broader sense, every Messenger who appeared – especially in cases where an ‘ummah’ was pre-existent, was the fulcrum point for apostasy. In other words, Jews who chose to follow Issa [Jesus or, Yeshua] apostatized from their community – just as Christians who recognized Muhammad [pbuh] apostatized Christianity. Islam as a term, doesn’t denote the community of Muhammad. I’m told the word means ’submission to Allah’s will’ – the Prophet Himself taught that the Prophets of old preached Islam.
In that sense, apostasy cannot be considered a crime against the prophet or messenger, so long as the new Divine Educator can be proven to also be preaching Islam!
Persecution, in this light, is itself a crime – particularly the blatant, blind sort of persecution we see now. No evidence, no justice, no chance for the prisoner to present his or her own case! This countermands the very first verse Mr. Shebl quotes – it is time to present the true evidence; to prove to the world that Baha’u'llah certainly conformed to the three principles cited in the footnotes!
“[1] The three principals are:

a: the world is created by a mighty and powerful Creator, and He is the only One Who should be worshiped,
b: belief in the next world and life after death,
c: practicing goodly deeds and seemly conduct that will benefit the individual himself and all the creation of God.”

My thanks to M. Shebl for pointing that out!

]]> By: basma moussa http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2167 basma moussa Mon, 18 May 2009 14:51:13 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2167 Basma Moussa: The Bahai’i religion is not shameful This is a translation of an article that recently appeared in Elaph. http://basmagm.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/basma-moussa-the-bahai%e2%80%99i-religion-is-not-shameful/ Basma Moussa: The Bahai’i religion is not shameful
This is a translation of an article that recently appeared in Elaph.

http://basmagm.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/basma-moussa-the-bahai%e2%80%99i-religion-is-not-shameful/

]]> By: hossein http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2161 hossein Mon, 18 May 2009 03:11:23 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2161 This is a solid and straight forward argument in that it is based on the holy Quran and correct Hadith. It becomes even more solid when one considers the fact that many of those who became Baha'is came from other than a Muslim background; namely Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrians , Budhists etc. The alleged crime of apostasy attributed to such Baha's of non Muslim backgrounds, is simply untenable. Actually, on closer examination it would seem that the exact opposite may be true; the Jew, Christian, Budhist, and Zoroastrian, never believed in the Quran or Muhammad before they became baha'is, but when they believed in Bahaullah, they all submitted to the Will of God, and not only believed that the Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] is a messenger from God and that the Holy Qur`an, as being the depository of the Word of God, revealed through Muhammad [PBUH], but that each and every Bahai has the moral and spiritual obligation to defend Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and the Quran..Now what just and fair minded person could possibly labile these Bahais, of non Muslim backgrounds, as aposates from Islam. The Quran exhorts Muslims to be fair, and thoughtful in their judgment. The state is that many of dear Muslim brothers do not heed the counsel of the holy Quran where it says; O believers , if any bad man come to with news, investigate it at once, lest through ignorance ye harm others, and speedily have to repent of ye have done Chapter [Quran- Ch. Al Hajarat # 6] And in another place, the holy Quran counsles the belivers to not follow blindly in the foot steps of their forefathers and the men of religion for these very men will lead them astray. In Quran chapter Al Zukhruf verse 22-23 God says "But they say: Verily we found our fathers of that persuasion and verily, in their do we guide ourselves.And thus never before thy time did we send a Warner to any city but its wealthy ones said: Verily, we found our fathers with a religion, and in their tracks we tread" And again in the Quran chapter AL Anaam, verse 116 God says again "But if thou obey the majority [of the people] on earth, they will surely lead astray form the path of God: For they follow but a concert and they are only liars" For any thoughtful and just person will surely see the clear guidance offered in the Holy Quran...The holy tradition [hadith] counsels Muslim to think sayng: An hour's reflection is to be preferred to 40 years of worship. Many of the verses in the Quran exhort the true believers, those with percieving hearts to REFLECT....So brothers in God do reflect; did nay of the ones who perptrated the terrible deeds of burning the homes of the innocent Baha'is in Suhja al Shuraniyyah, abide by the exhortations of the Holy Quran?; did they think for themselves and investigateas the Quran orders them to do?; or did they blindly follow in the foot steps of their forefathers and willingly like sheep let themselves be lead astray and misguided by their clergy? Be fair in your judgment! hossein This is a solid and straight forward argument in that it is based on the holy Quran and correct Hadith. It becomes even more solid when one considers the fact that many of those who became Baha’is came from other than a Muslim background; namely Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrians , Budhists etc. The alleged crime of apostasy attributed to such Baha’s of non Muslim backgrounds, is simply untenable. Actually, on closer examination it would seem that the exact opposite may be true; the Jew, Christian, Budhist, and Zoroastrian, never believed in the Quran or Muhammad before they became baha’is, but when they believed in Bahaullah, they all submitted to the Will of God, and not only believed that the Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] is a messenger from God and that the Holy Qur`an, as being the depository of the Word of God, revealed through Muhammad [PBUH], but that each and every Bahai has the moral and spiritual obligation to defend Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and the Quran..Now what just and fair minded person could possibly labile these Bahais, of non Muslim backgrounds, as aposates from Islam. The Quran exhorts Muslims to be fair, and thoughtful in their judgment. The state is that many of dear Muslim brothers do not heed the counsel of the holy Quran where it says;
O believers , if any bad man come to with news, investigate it at once, lest through ignorance ye harm others, and speedily have to repent of ye have done Chapter [Quran- Ch. Al Hajarat # 6] And in another place, the holy Quran counsles the belivers to not follow blindly in the foot steps of their forefathers and the men of religion for these very men will lead them astray. In Quran chapter Al Zukhruf verse 22-23 God says
“But they say: Verily we found our fathers of that persuasion and verily, in their do we guide ourselves.And thus never before thy time did we send a Warner to any city but its wealthy ones said: Verily, we found our fathers with a religion, and in their tracks we tread” And again in the Quran chapter AL Anaam, verse 116 God says again “But if thou obey the majority [of the people] on earth, they will surely lead astray form the path of God: For they follow but a concert and they are only liars”
For any thoughtful and just person will surely see the clear guidance offered in the Holy Quran…The holy tradition [hadith] counsels Muslim to think sayng: An hour’s reflection is to be preferred to 40 years of worship.
Many of the verses in the Quran exhort the true believers, those with percieving hearts to REFLECT….So brothers in God do reflect; did nay of the ones who perptrated the terrible deeds of burning the homes of the innocent Baha’is in Suhja al Shuraniyyah, abide by the exhortations of the Holy Quran?; did they think for themselves and investigateas the Quran orders them to do?; or did they blindly follow in the foot steps of their forefathers and willingly like sheep let themselves be lead astray and misguided by their clergy? Be fair in your judgment!
hossein

]]> By: Apostasy and Baha’is as Apostates in Islam « بـا قــــة و ر د http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2140 Apostasy and Baha’is as Apostates in Islam « بـا قــــة و ر د Sun, 17 May 2009 03:14:46 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2140 [...] http://www.iranpresswatch.org/2009/05/apostasy/ [...] [...] http://www.iranpresswatch.org/2009/05/apostasy/ [...]

]]> By: basma moussa http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2139 basma moussa Sun, 17 May 2009 03:03:30 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2139 this is another good article about same issue: http://www.alyoum7.com/News.asp?NewsID=98587& this is another good article about same issue:
http://www.alyoum7.com/News.asp?NewsID=98587&

]]> By: Tom Howe http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/2773/comment-page-1#comment-2125 Tom Howe Sat, 16 May 2009 20:46:06 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=2773#comment-2125 Thank you to Mohammad Shebl for his enlightening discourse. The Baha'is are clearly innocent, completely innocent. They are meek, humble, generous, obedient to government, and well-wishers of all. Thank you to Mohammad Shebl for his enlightening discourse. The Baha’is are clearly innocent, completely innocent. They are meek, humble, generous, obedient to government, and well-wishers of all.

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