Comments on: ‘Ashura Ceremonies and the Baha’is http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/742 Documenting the Persecution of the Baha'i Community in Iran Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:41:37 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: dawn http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/742/comment-page-1#comment-206 dawn Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:25:21 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=742#comment-206 Do you know why the clergy has problems with these:”peaceful, law abiding Iranian minority”. I’ll tell you why: If you understand arabic read this yourself from the persian section of the bahaiorg library: “ganje shaygan, page 79″ and if you dont get someone you trust to translate it for you (if you dont trust my translation) This is what bahaullah says about those who hate him (practically nearly every muslim in iran): “tell them he who has in his heart hatred towards this young person (or servant) (referring to himself) then surely the devil has been in bed with his mother (in arabic this is the polite way of saying your illegimate and your father is someone else, in this case the devil)”. Bahais should remember that according to their own scripts they are not allowed to pharaphrase bahaullahs words. So when he says the devil he means the devil!!! In page 78 of the same book this is what bahaullah says: “By god he who denies this illuminated, shining excellency (bahaullahs religion or himself) should ask his mother about his situation (very polite way of saying your illegitimate).” This is the belief of this “peaceful, law abiding minority”. The bahais believe that those who oppose bahaullah and his religion are either born from the devil or are illegimate (according to bahaullahs own words). Now someone tell me which one is worse: 1-The clergy accusing the bahaies of causing harm in the ashura ceremonies or 2-The bahai belief that the father of all these clergies and muslims and any one else who hates bahaulla is the devil himself? and or they are illegitimate. Oops i almost forgot. You bahais never knew you had these beliefs yourself but now you do. Do you know why the clergy has problems with these:”peaceful, law abiding Iranian minority”. I’ll tell you why: If you understand arabic read this yourself from the persian section of the bahaiorg library: “ganje shaygan, page 79″
and if you dont get someone you trust to translate it for you (if you dont trust my translation)
This is what bahaullah says about those who hate him (practically nearly every muslim in iran): “tell them he who has in his heart hatred towards this young person (or servant) (referring to himself) then surely the devil has been in bed with his mother (in arabic this is the polite way of saying your illegimate and your father is someone else, in this case the devil)”.

Bahais should remember that according to their own scripts they are not allowed to pharaphrase bahaullahs words. So when he says the devil he means the devil!!!

In page 78 of the same book this is what bahaullah says:
“By god he who denies this illuminated, shining excellency (bahaullahs religion or himself) should ask his mother about his situation (very polite way of saying your illegitimate).”

This is the belief of this “peaceful, law abiding minority”. The bahais believe that those who oppose bahaullah and his religion are either born from the devil or are illegimate (according to bahaullahs own words).
Now someone tell me which one is worse: 1-The clergy accusing the bahaies of causing harm in the ashura ceremonies or 2-The bahai belief that the father of all these clergies and muslims and any one else who hates bahaulla is the devil himself? and or they are illegitimate.

Oops i almost forgot. You bahais never knew you had these beliefs yourself but now you do.

]]> By: hossein http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/742/comment-page-1#comment-198 hossein Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:25:24 +0000 http://www.iranpresswatch.org/?p=742#comment-198 Thanks to Akhtar and to Omid for this succinct and very telling article. It goes to show that the more desperate the clergy get the more their spin becomes irrational and less credible. This reminds one of the Islamic hadith regarding the state of the clergy at the day of the end; that they are the most corrupt on the face of the earth- from them sedition emanates and to them sedition shall revert. And another hadith which asserts that it is the clergy who will misguide the people and that accursed will they be for their misguiding. How ironic it is;---Baha'is who believe in the pure form of Islam and actually defend its good name, are being attacked by the clergy who are desperate to portray Baha'is as it's ill wishers, yet they overlook the real substantive and malevolent attacks on Islam from its real enemies; the real enemies who are bent on its demise. Little do they know that such folly would cause the heart of every fair minded person to question the real motives behind such attacks from an all powerful clergy upon a peace loving, law abiding, seemingly helpless Bahai minority, who not only harbor no ill will to that government, but are well wishers, as bidden by their religious tenets. A question is therefore directed to the clergy of Iran. What is it that makes you fear this peaceful, law abiding Iranian minority, that you are determined to uproot it by all the means at your disposal? Have you not heard of what God had said in the Quran; they wish to put out the light of God with their mouths, and God refuses but that his will be done, even though the infidels abhor it. Regards hossein Thanks to Akhtar and to Omid for this succinct and very telling article.
It goes to show that the more desperate the clergy get the more their spin becomes irrational and less credible.
This reminds one of the Islamic hadith regarding the state of the clergy at the day of the end; that they are the most corrupt on the face of the earth- from them sedition emanates and to them sedition shall revert. And another hadith which asserts that it is the clergy who will misguide the people and that accursed will they be for their misguiding.
How ironic it is;—Baha’is who believe in the pure form of Islam and actually defend its good name, are being attacked by the clergy who are desperate to portray Baha’is as it’s ill wishers, yet they overlook the real substantive and malevolent attacks on Islam from its real enemies; the real enemies who are bent on its demise. Little do they know that such folly would cause the heart of every fair minded person to question the real motives behind such attacks from an all powerful clergy upon a peace loving, law abiding, seemingly helpless Bahai minority, who not only harbor no ill will to that government, but are well wishers, as bidden by their religious tenets. A question is therefore directed to the clergy of Iran.
What is it that makes you fear this peaceful, law abiding Iranian minority, that you are determined to uproot it by all the means at your disposal? Have you not heard of what God had said in the Quran; they wish to put out the light of God with their mouths, and God refuses but that his will be done, even though the infidels abhor it.
Regards
hossein

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